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Redd Rathe · Jan 04, 2012, 02:57 AM // 02:57

I think it's a great idea. I love it for the short time that it's around and I'm sure people would play it regardless if it's Wintersday or not.

/signed fo sho

Cerulean Niteshadow · Jan 04, 2012, 04:33 AM // 04:33

Would die off in weeks, been suggested before.

/notsigned

Essence Snow · Jan 04, 2012, 05:30 AM // 05:30

So we can have endless complaint threads about afk/farming/bots/macros?....no ty

/not signed

**cosyfiep** · Jan 04, 2012, 06:46 AM // 06:46

something more often than just once a year would be nice...like maybe 4 or 5 times a year for a week??? (and add the reg snowball fights in to--would be nice to have a few more ways to get gamer points).

Missing HB · Jan 04, 2012, 08:30 AM // 08:30

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Originally Posted by Essence Snow

So we can have endless complaint threads about afk/farming/bots/macros?....no ty

/not signed

Alternatively, we can have endless complaint threads about how inactive is PvP, especially considering each formats..

Besides, why wouldn't we get a format that would make PvP active a little if there's really nothing to do there( note : nothing to do because there is noone).. The point is pretty much to keep players on gw1 for more time, have something to do casually and not just log, see every place is empty and go back to skyrim or revelations...

Iceblue · Jan 04, 2012, 09:13 AM // 09:13

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Originally Posted by headlesshobbs

I wouldn't mind if they made some form of snowball pvp to help cover the winter season lasting thru Jan-Mar. In fact they should at least keep the snow after events are over.

I'm sure they could put in a program that counted the amount of total votes for Grenth vs. Dwayna. If Grenth got more vote the snow (minus the decorations) stay till March-April.

I think the whole event should be a month long. How many people had time to play before christmas? Its a crazy busy time for everyone (also for those of us who celebrate Hannuka, which came out around the same time this year). The event should at least last until Jan. 15th.

/half signed

floor · Jan 04, 2012, 10:32 AM // 10:32

Although the very top snowball players might have you think otherwise, the majority of the guilds in top 8 (not necessarily the winners) come from a GvG/HA background. Most of these players stop participating in these tournaments dailly as soon as the christmas period is finished and their guild becomes active again.

Whilst snowball is fun, and its a welcome change from GvG for a short period, it would not be more popular if it was all year around.

Please do not assume that more guilds entering over the christmas period when there is nothing else to do as being more popular. You would likely not have more than 1 group if snowball AT's happened all year around. Factor in that a large % of those teams will be afk, and you basically have an even worse version of the GvG AT's.

/not signed, its good for the period that it exists. Would be boring/dead if it was all year around, especially if RP's were reduced.

Rushin Roulette · Jan 04, 2012, 11:02 AM // 11:02

Should the permanent Snowball Tournament go together with permanent Costume brawl, permanent Dragon Arena and the permanent rollerbeatle racing which have all been suggested multiple times already? or is there a reason why this one format should be avalable all year round as opposed to all the others?

Before you suggest making all these permanent... you will not find enough players to compete against you as they would be even more spread around (just see how dead AB and codix are allready because players are in different formats).

Missing HB · Jan 04, 2012, 04:31 PM // 16:31

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Originally Posted by floor

Please do not assume that more guilds entering over the christmas period when there is nothing else to do as being more popular. You would likely not have more than 1 group if snowball AT's happened all year around. Factor in that a large % of those teams will be afk, and you basically have an even worse version of the GvG AT's.

Even if there was half a group, it would still be 3 times better than the most active GvG At's today...
I still can't understand other ideas about boredom and other... We have had all these formats and GvG At's for years now without any change,and we see the result, noone can do anything in PvP...How can adding something that will be anyway more active than any actual organized format be bad?

_Deals_ · Jan 04, 2012, 05:27 PM // 17:27

/not signed, threads that have been repeated shouldn't go this far without being closed for real.

floor · Jan 04, 2012, 05:35 PM // 17:35

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Originally Posted by Missing HB

Even if there was half a group, it would still be 3 times better than the most active GvG At's today...
I still can't understand other ideas about boredom and other... We have had all these formats and GvG At's for years now without any change,and we see the result, noone can do anything in PvP...How can adding something that will be anyway more active than any actual organized format be bad?

Its active because of rewards. The vast majority of the PvP community would leave the snowball arena for most of the year in order to persue GvG and to a lesser extent HA, which are the more challenging, higher priority areas for many players.

If reward points where substantially reduced (half those of a GvG AT seems fair since snowballs take half the time) or removed entirely, the number of guilds entering would probably be 1/10th of what it is now, including the removal of all the afk RP farming guilds ofc. There is no escaping the fact that the majority of the guilds who come out of PvE to participate, which is why so many teams enter!, are only doing so because of rewards. For some reason even at this stage of the game, the prospect of more money/gear excites people greatly.

If snowball arenas became a permanent fixture, it would just be the half a dozen serious "skillz" guilds fighting each other, with a handful of other pug teams entering for the "fun" of it.

most people are playing for rewards, not fun.

Starfleck · Jan 04, 2012, 06:11 PM // 18:11

I believe Lemming had by far the most appropriate comment here. Playing pvp on a regular basis is all about getting that 4 wins / 2 losses.
2 wins / 4 losses is just a bit of a slap in the face to an experienced pvp-er. I do agree that getting a stack of zkeys from one tournament is rediculous for someone who's not good at pvp, but care to consider for a moment what being in the lower half of the standings gets you. . .

Let's say you have an army of alt accounts, afk 3 guilds, and play one real guild. 3 guilds get what, 6 zkeys per player? less? Doesn't matter, because they all go to the same player (or group of players), so it's still worth it to do that rather than skip it and don't enter the tournament.
For 3 noob guilds to fight against one really good guild, however, it's the same win-loss ratio, the same low reward (compared to what the good guild is earning), and a whole lot of humiliation. The low end of the tournament is getting terrible rewards, which is the whole reason regular AT's died. It's more productive for a mid-range pvp player to go learn a speedclear, and more productive for a high end pvp player to have an army of alt accounts in smurf guilds, which, by all accounts, Anet should NOT be encouraging.

Ask a high end pvp player what they'd like and I'll bet you anything the answer is this: more competition. What generates more competition, though?? Rewards, because for the low-end PvPer the rewards are what's more important. Therefore, I agree that the top finishing guilds in a tournament that big should not be getting 350+ tourny reward points per player, but lower finishing real non-afk guilds should definitely be getting close to 50 every tourny they play. Just the fact that they were able to mobilize at least 6 players that are probably stronger in PvE represents quite a bit of effort on the guild leader/officer's part, and the courage of those players.

Therefore: /not signed.

I disagree that we need Snowball AT's, I agree we need better low-end pvp.

Horace Slughorn · Jan 04, 2012, 08:42 PM // 20:42

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Originally Posted by hitsuji182

because players achieved everything they wanted long time ago

you're saying this as if people don't sell their zkeys for real money...

jazilla · Jan 04, 2012, 09:47 PM // 21:47

As long as it's just for fun then sure. If you don't want Tourney's without the rewards then no.

hitsuji182 · Jan 04, 2012, 11:07 PM // 23:07

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Originally Posted by Horace Slughorn

you're saying this as if people don't sell their zkeys for real money...

rmt isn't very profitable anymore. I checked prices on black market and they are laughably low.

But still, lower rewards if thats an issue and done.

Horace Slughorn · Jan 04, 2012, 11:36 PM // 23:36

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Originally Posted by hitsuji182

rmt isn't very profitable anymore. I checked prices on black market and they are laughably low.

But still, lower rewards if thats an issue and done.

I just meant it's naive to think that the only motive of certain top guilds is to prove themselves in competition... when clearly there are other types of "benefits" from winning big.

Odin Bloodknight · Jan 05, 2012, 01:33 AM // 01:33

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Originally Posted by Rushin Roulette

Should the permanent Snowball Tournament go together with permanent Costume brawl, permanent Dragon Arena and the permanent rollerbeatle racing which have all been suggested multiple times already? or is there a reason why this one format should be avalable all year round as opposed to all the others?

Well Anet seem to like making titles easier for players to get for their HoM, don't see why Gamer title should be different, at least this change would be fun.

Missing HB · Jan 05, 2012, 08:10 AM // 08:10

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Originally Posted by floor

most people are playing for rewards, not fun.

I'm not especially disagreeing with your ideas, but however my point is : if PvP is left the way it is, formats will remain inactive and lose their last players... It was shown that flux didn't do anything good and furthermore, we can believe that Ele buff will only have a very small impact in random formats probably for a short term...

If we consider this, then adding snowball At's would be an option to do something( even if it is, as many believe, on a short run), and people would get bored and go GvG/HA, then at least it would create activity there...

side note: if people did really play for the reward, then how come there aren't any afkers in GvG At's but only a few forfeits....Leaving afk accounts( consider as many as in Sb At's) would still net you around 20-30 reward points, which is still a good reward for not doing anything...

floor · Jan 05, 2012, 05:26 PM // 17:26

The formats will remain inactive at a competitive level regardless of what happens. Bringing PvE players into PvP really doesnt solve anything unless they want to invest a couple thousand hours learning how to win vs already competent teams. To PvP and win you really need a high level of motivation and dedication to what ur doing, and most people simply dont have this. Its no different to playing a sport irl, if you dont train you wont win. Snowball arenas are an exception to this rule and as a result are popular for two combined reasons, they are very easy to learn how to play (low skill ceiling), and the rewards are very high. Change either of these factors and the arena dies.

Considering you cannot have such a high level of rewards if the tournament was all year round cos it would ruin the economy, you have to reduce them. As i said, reduce the rewards = lose the players. So its just 1 more dead arena, except this one would serve no purpose at all. No fame/glads/guildrank/capetrims, nothing. People just wont do it for fun alone, because quite honestly after you've done snowballs for a week or so, its really not all that fun anyway...

coil · Jan 07, 2012, 01:53 AM // 01:53

neutral

imo a better solution would be add dodgeball AT, add snowball AT to wintersday in july, add CB AT to halloween, possibly add 1 more simple "festival" type event to keep the migratory players flocking back every couple months.

although i wouldnt mind 48-72 keys for ~2hrs a night.